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There are 3 common methods to compute moments about a point:

  • Perpendicular components of a force M = F d <- preferred method for 2D problems!!!!
  • Sine of the angle method
  • Cross product method (typically reserved for 3D problems) M = r x F

Perpendicular Components of a Force

Requires:

  • Decomposing force vector into x and y components
  • Determining x and y distances

Since we know that the moment measures how perpendicular the force and distance are, we can create this formula to calculate moments in 2D:


M=±Fxry±FyrxM=\pm{F}_xr_y\pm{F_yr_x}


When using this method, be careful with which components cause positive vs. negative moments.

Example: Determine the moment about point O

Image illustrating Moments About a Point - Scalar Formulation (for 2D)







Image illustrating Moments About a Point - Scalar Formulation (for 2D)

Mo=−(60)(5)−(80)(2)M_o=-\left(60\right)\left(5\right)-\left(80\right)\left(2\right)

Mo=−460N.m  or   Mo=460N.m   clockwiseM_o=-460{N.m}\ \ or\ \ \ M_o=460_{ }{N.m} \ \ \ clockwise


Sine of the Angle Method


I personally find this method to be more difficult, especially when the angle isn't obvious or easy to calculate.

My suggestion? USE THE FIRST METHOD for 2D problems!!!


Requires:

  • Magnitude of the force
  • Magnitude of the distance
  • The angle between the two vectors

We can use another definition of the cross product:


Mo=rFsin⁡θ=F(rsin⁡θ)=FdM_o=rF\sin\theta=F\left(r\sin\theta\right)=Fd

Where the computation is very straight forward if we know the angle of the geometry. This method is rarely used because the angle is usually not provided, but it is good to know because it is the fastest.




Example: Determine the moment about point O

Image illustrating Moments About a Point - Scalar Formulation (for 2D)


Image illustrating Moments About a Point - Scalar Formulation (for 2D)


Mo=Fdsin⁡θ=(100N)(5.385m)sin⁡(58.7)M_o=Fd\sin\theta=\left(100N\right)\left(5.385m\right)\sin\left(58.7\right)

Mo=460N.mM_o=460N.m

Cross Product Method*


*Again, we normally only use this for 3D problems, but the example below shows that it still works in 2D


Requires:

  • Force vector in Cartesian vector form
  • Distance vector in Cartesian vector form
  • Computation of a determinant

This method requires the computation of the cross product, which can take some time and requires some math. Therefore, we usually don’t use this for 2D cases. In 3D, this method is recommended because no visualization is necessary, and the math takes care of everything.

Mo=r×F=∣ijkrxryrzFxFyFz∣M_o=r\times{F} = \begin{vmatrix}i&j&k\\r_x&r_y&r_z\\F_x&F_y&F_z \end{vmatrix}

Cross Product Example: Determine the moment about point O

Image illustrating Moments About a Point - Scalar Formulation (for 2D)

r⃗=5i^+2j^\vec{r}=5\hat{i}+2\hat{j}

r⃗=80i^−60j^\vec{r}=80\hat{i}-60\hat{j}


∣i^j^k^52080−600∣\begin{vmatrix} \hat{i} & \hat{j} &\hat{k}\\ 5 & 2 & 0\\ 80&-60&0 \end{vmatrix} ⟶\longrightarrow [(5)(−60)−(2)(80)]k^=−460k^[(5)(-60)-(2)(80)]\hat{k}=-460\hat{k}

Mo=−460N.mM_o=-460N.m

or

Mo=460N.m   clockwiseM_o=460N.m \ \ \ clockwise

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Determine the moment about A using,

1) M = r x F

2) M = Fd



Image illustrating Example 1 - Part 1 (M= r x F): Moment About a Point (2D)





Solution:


Using 1) M = r x F,



Image illustrating Example 1 - Part 1 (M= r x F): Moment About a Point (2D)



MO=r×F=∣ijkrxryrzFxFyFz∣\mathbf{M}_{O}=\mathbf{r} \times \mathbf{F}=\left|\begin{array}{ccc}{\mathbf{i}} & {\mathbf{j}} & {\mathbf{k}} \\ {r_{x}} & {r_{y}} & {r_{z}} \\ {F_{x}} & {F_{y}} & {F_{z}}\end{array}\right|


MA=3i+0j+0k×353.55i+353.55k+0k=∣ijk300353.55353.550∣\mathbf{M}_{A}=\mathbf{3i+0j+0k} \times \mathbf{353.55i+353.55k+0k}=\left|\begin{array}{ccc}{\mathbf{i}} & {\mathbf{j}} & {\mathbf{k}} \\ {3} & {0} & {0} \\ {353.55} & {353.55} & {0}\end{array}\right|



MA=(ryFz−rzFy)i−(rxFz−rzFx)j+(rxFy−ryFx)k\mathbf{M}_{A}=\left(r_{y} F_{z}-r_{z} F_{y}\right) \mathbf{i}-\left(r_{x} F_{z}-r_{z} F_{x}\right) \mathbf{j}+\left(r_{x} F_{y}-r_{y} F_{x}\right) \mathbf{k}


MA=(0(0)−0(353.55))i−(3(0)−0(353.55))j+(3(353.55)−0(353.55))k\mathbf{M}_{A}=\left(0(0)-0(353.55)\right) \mathbf{i}-\left(3(0)-0(353.55)\right) \mathbf{j}+\left(3(353.55)-0(353.55)\right) \mathbf{k}


MA=0i−0j+1060.65kMA=(1060.65k)N−m\begin{array}{l}{\mathbf{M}_{\mathrm{A}}=0 \mathbf{i}-0 \mathbf{j}+1060.65 \mathbf{k}} \\ {\mathbf{M}_{\mathrm{A}}=(1060.65 \mathbf{k}) N-\mathbf{m}}\end{array}


Using 2) M = Fd,


Image illustrating Example 1 - Part 1 (M= r x F): Moment About a Point (2D)



↶+MA=−353.55(2.12m)+353.55(2.12m+3m)=1066.65N−m↶+ M_A=-353.55(2.12m)+353.55 (2.12m+3m)=1066.65 N-m

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Determine the moment about A using,

1) M = r x F

2) M = Fd



Image illustrating Example 1 - Part 2 (M= Fd): Moment About a Point (2D)





Solution:


Using 1) M = r x F,



Image illustrating Example 1 - Part 2 (M= Fd): Moment About a Point (2D)



MO=r×F=∣ijkrxryrzFxFyFz∣\mathbf{M}_{O}=\mathbf{r} \times \mathbf{F}=\left|\begin{array}{ccc}{\mathbf{i}} & {\mathbf{j}} & {\mathbf{k}} \\ {r_{x}} & {r_{y}} & {r_{z}} \\ {F_{x}} & {F_{y}} & {F_{z}}\end{array}\right|


MA=3i+0j+0k×353.55i+353.55k+0k=∣ijk300353.55353.550∣\mathbf{M}_{A}=\mathbf{3i+0j+0k} \times \mathbf{353.55i+353.55k+0k}=\left|\begin{array}{ccc}{\mathbf{i}} & {\mathbf{j}} & {\mathbf{k}} \\ {3} & {0} & {0} \\ {353.55} & {353.55} & {0}\end{array}\right|



MA=(ryFz−rzFy)i−(rxFz−rzFx)j+(rxFy−ryFx)k\mathbf{M}_{A}=\left(r_{y} F_{z}-r_{z} F_{y}\right) \mathbf{i}-\left(r_{x} F_{z}-r_{z} F_{x}\right) \mathbf{j}+\left(r_{x} F_{y}-r_{y} F_{x}\right) \mathbf{k}


MA=(0(0)−0(353.55))i−(3(0)−0(353.55))j+(3(353.55)−0(353.55))k\mathbf{M}_{A}=\left(0(0)-0(353.55)\right) \mathbf{i}-\left(3(0)-0(353.55)\right) \mathbf{j}+\left(3(353.55)-0(353.55)\right) \mathbf{k}


MA=0i−0j+1060.65kMA=(1060.65k)N−m\begin{array}{l}{\mathbf{M}_{\mathrm{A}}=0 \mathbf{i}-0 \mathbf{j}+1060.65 \mathbf{k}} \\ {\mathbf{M}_{\mathrm{A}}=(1060.65 \mathbf{k}) N-\mathbf{m}}\end{array}


Using 2) M = Fd,


Image illustrating Example 1 - Part 2 (M= Fd): Moment About a Point (2D)



↶+MA=−353.55(2.12m)+353.55(2.12m+3m)=1066.65N−m↶+ M_A=-353.55(2.12m)+353.55 (2.12m+3m)=1066.65 N-m

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Example

Part 1) Determine the total moment about point B due to the following forces.


Part 2) Determine the total moment about point A due to the following forces.


Image illustrating Example 2: Moment About a Point (2D) - M = Fd


Solution:


Image illustrating Example 2: Moment About a Point (2D) - M = Fd


↺+ MB=− 230cos⁡(30) (3m)+230sin⁡(30) (4m)+300sin⁡(60) (0) − 300cos⁡(60) (4m)=−738N−m    ↺↺+\ M_B=-\ 230\cos(30)\ \left(3m\right)+230\sin(30)\ \left(4m\right)+300\sin(60)\ \left(0\right)\ -\ 300\cos(60)\ \left(4m\right)=-738N-m\ \ \ \ ↺


↺+ MA=230cos(30) (2m)+300sin(60) (5m) +400(3/5) (4m)+400 (4/5) (5m) = 4257 N−m ↻↺+\ M_A=230cos(30)\ \left(2m\right)+300sin(60)\ \left(5m\right)\ +400(3/5)\ (4m)+400\ (4/5)\ (5m)\ =\ 4257\ N-m\ \circlearrowright

Determine the moment about point O



Image illustrating Example: Computing Moments About a Point


GIVEN:

F⃗1=(5i^−6j^−3k^)lb\vec{F}_1=(5\hat{i}-6\hat{j}-3\hat{k})lb

F⃗2=(−10i^+7j^+7k^)lb\vec{F}_2=(-10\hat{i}+7\hat{j}+7\hat{k})lb


F⃗R=(−5i^+j^+4k^)lb\vec{F}_R=(-5\hat{i}+\hat{j}+4\hat{k})lb

r⃗OA=(4i^+5j^+3k^)ft\vec{r}_{OA}=(4\hat{i}+5\hat{j}+3\hat{k})ft

M⃗o=∣i^j^k^453−514∣\vec{M}_o=\begin{vmatrix} \hat{i} & \hat{j}& \hat{k}\\ 4& 5&3\\ -5&1&4 \end{vmatrix}


[(5)(4)−(3)(1)]i^=17i^[(5)(4)-(3)(1)]\hat{i}=17\hat{i}

−[(4)(4)−(3)(−5)]j^=−31j^-[(4)(4)-(3)(-5)]\hat{j}=-31\hat{j}

+[(4)(1)−(5)(−5)]k^=29k^+[(4)(1)-(5)(-5)]\hat{k}=29\hat{k}

M⃗o=(17i^−31j^+29k^)lb.ft\vec{M}_o=(17\hat{i}-31\hat{j}+29\hat{k})lb.ft

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F⃗1=(5i^−6j^−3k^)lb\vec{F}_1=(5\hat{i}-6\hat{j}-3\hat{k})lb

F⃗2=(−10i^+7j^+7k^)lb\vec{F}_2=(-10\hat{i}+7\hat{j}+7\hat{k})lb


F⃗R=(−5i^+j^+4k^)lb\vec{F}_R=(-5\hat{i}+\hat{j}+4\hat{k})lb

r⃗OA=(4i^+5j^+3k^)ft\vec{r}_{OA}=(4\hat{i}+5\hat{j}+3\hat{k})ft

M⃗o=∣i^j^k^453−514∣\vec{M}_o=\begin{vmatrix} \hat{i} & \hat{j}& \hat{k}\\ 4& 5&3\\ -5&1&4 \end{vmatrix}


[(5)(4)−(3)(1)]i^=17i^[(5)(4)-(3)(1)]\hat{i}=17\hat{i}

−[(4)(4)−(3)(−5)]j^=−31j^-[(4)(4)-(3)(-5)]\hat{j}=-31\hat{j}

+[(4)(1)−(5)(−5)]k^=29k^+[(4)(1)-(5)(-5)]\hat{k}=29\hat{k}

M⃗o=(17i^−31j^+29k^)lb.ft\vec{M}_o=(17\hat{i}-31\hat{j}+29\hat{k})lb.ft

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There are 3 common methods to compute moments about a point:

  • Perpendicular components of a force
  • Sine of the angle method
  • Cross product method

Perpendicular Components of a Force

Requires:

  • Decomposing force vector into x and y components
  • Determining x and y distances

Since we know that the moment measures how perpendicular the force and distance are, we can create this formula to calculate moments in 2D:


M=±Fxry±FyrxM=\pm{F}_xr_y\pm{F_yr_x}


When using this method, be careful with which components cause positive vs. negative moments.

Example


Determine the moment about point O





Image illustrating Example: Computing Moments About a Point


Image illustrating Example: Computing Moments About a Point

Mo=−(60)(5)−(80)(2)M_o=-\left(60\right)\left(5\right)-\left(80\right)\left(2\right)

Mo=−460N.m  or   Mo=460N.m   clockwiseM_o=-460{N.m}\ \ or\ \ \ M_o=460_{ }{N.m} \ \ \ clockwise


Sine of the Angle Method

Requires:

  • Magnitude of the force
  • Magnitude of the distance
  • The angle between the two vectors

We can use another definition of the cross product:


Mo=rFsin⁡θ=F(rsin⁡θ)=FdM_o=rF\sin\theta=F\left(r\sin\theta\right)=Fd

Where the computation is very straight forward if we know the angle of the geometry. This method is rarely used because the angle is usually not provided, but it is good to know because it is the fastest.


Example

Determine the moment about point O



Image illustrating Example: Computing Moments About a Point


Image illustrating Example: Computing Moments About a Point


Mo=Fdsin⁡θ=(100N)(5.385m)sin⁡(58.7)M_o=Fd\sin\theta=\left(100N\right)\left(5.385m\right)\sin\left(58.7\right)

Mo=460N.mM_o=460N.m

Cross Product Method

Requires:

  • Force vector in Cartesian vector form
  • Distance vector in Cartesian vector form
  • Computation of a determinant

This method requires the computation of the cross product, which can take some time and requires some math. Therefore, we usually don’t use this for 2D cases. In 3D, this method is recommended because no visualization is necessary, and the math takes care of everything.

Mo=r×F=∣ijkrxryrzFxFyFz∣M_o=r\times{F} = \begin{vmatrix}i&j&k\\r_x&r_y&r_z\\F_x&F_y&F_z \end{vmatrix}

Cross Product Example

Determine the moment about point O

Image illustrating Example: Computing Moments About a Point

r⃗=5i^+2j^\vec{r}=5\hat{i}+2\hat{j}

r⃗=80i^−60j^\vec{r}=80\hat{i}-60\hat{j}


∣i^j^k^52080−600∣\begin{vmatrix} \hat{i} & \hat{j} &\hat{k}\\ 5 & 2 & 0\\ 80&-60&0 \end{vmatrix} ⟶\longrightarrow [(5)(−60)−(2)(80)]k^=−460k^[(5)(-60)-(2)(80)]\hat{k}=-460\hat{k}

Mo=−460N.mM_o=-460N.m

or

Mo=460N.m   clockwiseM_o=460N.m \ \ \ clockwise

1) Calculate the moment that the force causes about point D:



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2) Calculate the moment generated about point A



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Quiz: Moments About a Point - Practice Questions (2D)

Determine the moment that the Force P causes about O. Take P = 100N.


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The length of rod AB is 2ft. Determine the angle α so that the applied force causes a moment of 20 lb-ft about Point B.

Illustration for practice question: The length of rod AB is 2ft. Determine the angle α so that the applied force causes a moment of 20 lb-ft about Point B.


Determine the moment that P = 15 lbs, causes about point C. Take α = 10o


Illustration for practice question: Determine the moment that P = 15 lbs, causes about point C. Take α = 10o


Determine the value of d, if a moment of 960Nm about D is needed, and if AB can exert a maximum force of 2400N.



Illustration for practice question: Determine the value of d, if a moment of 960Nm about D is needed, and if AB can exert a maximum force of 2400N.




Moments About a Point (3D problems)

  • Moments about a point are defined as:

Mo=r×F=M_o=r\times F= ∣ijkrxryrzFxFyFz∣\begin{vmatrix}i&j&k\\r_x&r_y&r_z\\F_x&F_y&F_z \end{vmatrix}


  • This is a vector equation!
  • We will go through how you can calculate a cross-product, but the key is that the order of operations matters
  • The line of action is the line that the force is applied to and passes through r is always measured from the point to the line of action of the FORCE – it doesn’t matter where on the line of action
  • The force must be represented in Cartesian vector format in order to compute the cross product
  • You may think of the cross product as a test of “perpendicularity”, which is maximized if the two vectors are perpendicular, and minimized if they’re parallel
  • In other words, a maximum moment is obtained by keeping the force perpendicular to the distance

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Example

Determine the moment of the force of FAE=600 N about O.

Image illustrating Example 1: Moment About a Point (3D)



Solution:


Image illustrating Example 1: Moment About a Point (3D)

Coordinates,


O(0,0,0)A(1.2,0,0)E(0,1.5,1.2)\begin{array}{c}{O(0,0,0)} \\ {A(1.2,0,0)} \\ {E(0,1.5,1.2)}\end{array}


We know that,



MO=rOA×FAE→M_O=r_{OA}\times\overrightarrow{F_{AE}}


Position vector, rOAr_{O A}

rOA=1.2i+0j+0kr_{O A}=1.2 i+0 j+0 k


Cartesian force vector, FAE→\overrightarrow{F_{A E}}

FAE→=∣FAE∣uAEFAE→=∣FAE∣∣rAE∣rAE∣rAE=E−A=(0,1.5,1.2)−(1.2,0,0)→rAE=−1.2i+1.5j+1.2k∣rAE∣=(1.2)2+(1.5)2+(1.5)2+(1.2)2=2.265FAE→=∣600N∣[−1.2i+1.5j+1.2k2.265]=−317.88i+397.38j+317.88k\begin{array}{l}{\overrightarrow{F_{A E}}=\left|F_{A E}\right| u_{A E}} \\ {\overrightarrow{F_{A E}}=\left|F_{A E}\right|\left|\frac{r_{A E}}{ | r_{A E}}\right|} \\ {r_{A E}=E-A=(0,1.5,1.2)-(1.2,0,0) \rightarrow r_{A E}=-1.2 i+1.5 j+1.2 k \quad\left|r_{A E}\right|=\sqrt{(1.2)^{2}+(1.5)^{2}+(1.5)^{2}+(1.2)^{2}}=2.265} \\ {\overrightarrow{F_{A E}}=|600 N|\left[\frac{-1.2 i+1.5 j+1.2 k}{2.265}\right]=-317.88 i+397.38 j+317.88 k}\end{array}

Solving,


MO=rOA×F⃗AE=∣ijk1.200−317.88397.38317.88∣MO=(0(317.88)−0(397.38)i−(1.2(317.88)−0(−317.88))j+(1.2(397.38)−0(−317.88))kMO=(−381j+477k)N−m\begin{array}{l}{M_{O}=r_{O A} \times \vec{F}_{A E}=\left|\begin{array}{ccc}{\mathrm{i}} & {\mathrm{j}} & {\mathrm{k}} \\ {1.2} & {0} & {0} \\ {-317.88} & {397.38} & {317.88}\end{array}\right|} \\ {M_{O}=(0(317.88)-0(397.38) \mathrm{i}-(1.2(317.88)-0(-317.88)) \mathrm{j}+(1.2(397.38)-0(-317.88)) \mathrm{k}} \\ {M_{O}=(-381 j+477 k) N-m}\end{array}

Practice

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Determine the moment about A, caused by the 200N force.

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Determine the moment about O caused by BD, if the tension in BD is 900N


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